Contemporary "economics" multiplies the costs of all things for the sake of unearned profit. Ultimately, we pay many times over for our own production. Bankruptcy and foreclosure are consequences. Systemic collapse is the ultimate consequence. Or is it? Is the imposed, unassented, purported economic system a crime against humanity?

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26 Aug 2008, 5:10 pm

avus

Do we need them but for the fact that by subversion of representative process they deprive us of our right to publish our own evidences of debt without cost? Is the purported financial "industry" wholly parasitic and predatory? Or is it a benign and necessary servant of a republic?

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02 Feb 2008, 4:56 am

mike montagne

What makes this purported discipline the founding and singular principles of true free enterprise?

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14 Jul 2008, 1:56 pm

HoldYourFire

How do you feel about mainstream "economists'" assertion that recession and depression are natural?

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28 Jan 2008, 6:01 am

mike montagne

Here's the opportunity for theoretical challengers to disprove that mathematically perfected economy is the singular solution to inflation, deflation, intrinsic (systemic) manipulation of the value or cost of money or property, and inherent multiplication of debt in proportion to the original circulation.

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21 Jul 2008, 10:31 pm

Victor Aguilar

Occasionally, someone claims that "the debt virus" has already been disproven. I didn't write the debt virus theory; but I *am* the original author of a theory and proof that any purported economy involving currency subject to interest ultimately terminates itself by engendering systemic insoluble debt. To the best of my knowledge, the reference may originate from a certain professor who formerly claimed to have debunked all Federal Reserve "conspiracy theories." He posted this material in collegiate pages titled, "Federal Reserve Conspiracy Theories DEBUNKED." I had an online debate with that professor many years ago in pages which I titled, "[professor name] DEBUNKED." Many of his students wrote thanking me blowing the lid off the professor's preposterous assertions. Eventually it was such an embarrassment to the school that the head of the university wrote me politely, complimenting the truth in my work and apprising me that the professor's pages had become such an embarrassment to the school that they had removed his material from the web. Now that it was gone, he asked if I would kindly avoid their further embarrassment by removing the references to their colleague. I gladly obliged. But if you think "the debt virus theory" has been disproven, or if you think you can fault the propositions of mathematically perfected economy, this is your chance to do so. (Of course, competent theorists realize my theorem of ultimate collapse under insoluble debt is redundant to proving that mathematically perfected economy is the singular solution to inflation, deflation, intrinsic [systemic] manipulation of the value or cost of money or property, and inherent multiplication of debt in proportion to the circulation -- the latter of which, of course, contrarians claim does not require solution.)

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Introduce alternate propositions for constructive debate.

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24 Aug 2008, 11:46 pm

Victor Aguilar

Discussion of the principles/fundamentals of economics advocated by any political officer or candidate as may or may not rectify the current causes of economic failure or the inconsistencies of an imposed, privatized currency such as we now suffer.

For Ron Paul-specific discussion, see the Ron Paul forums.

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03 Apr 2008, 9:45 am

abyssrider

At best, we can only succeed in perpetuating a bad system. In the First Great Depression, they called the margin accounts, which could only precipitate the market crash. As we stand at the brink of the Second Great Depression, they are lowering interest rates to allow new money to buoy us against collapse. This is the new band-aid they are parading as protection or solution. But how is it solution? The purported solution refrains from solution in fact to preserve the unassented system. This new money is debt, and we cannot even afford to fully service existent debt. Technically, we are in collapse. How are we to solve the causes of collapse if not by mathematically perfected economy?

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02 Feb 2008, 5:01 am

mike montagne

What are the causes of current events and what are the solutions to those causes?

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It happened before. They told you it wouldn't happen again. Is that so? How so? Ask. Tell. Let's not be the fools to suffer the same consequence of unearned profit yet again. There is nothing "natural" about recession or depression.

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28 Jan 2008, 5:43 am

mike montagne

All about the bad guys. You have to have your head in the sand to trust in the modern politician. Help others get their heads straight with material we should all be abreast of.

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30 Jan 2008, 1:06 am

mike montagne

Tell us who the principled advocates of the people are. Do what you can to get them to advocate mathematically perfected economy?

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Whatever doesn't fit in other categories.

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05 Feb 2008, 3:52 am

mike montagne

The productive people of the world have a common interest in a sound world monetary system, but international usurers control the world's monetary systems and governments to our disadvantage. Discuss how to establish mathematically perfected economy in your country and elsewhere. Network. Unite.

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28 Jan 2008, 6:08 am

mike montagne

If your representatives are serving their people, why are they reinforcing the reach and oppression of usury in lieu of implementing mathematically perfected economy?

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28 Jan 2008, 6:11 am

mike montagne

Discuss what we should do about denial of vital information, and bias in the mainstream media.

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How do you feel about the broad, intensive efforts of the media to skew the playing field, to misrepresent the prospects of Ron Paul, to favor the coveted candidates of globalism, to filter all debate of relevant discussion of the fundamental economic issues which have plagued us for 100 years?

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How to reinforce the Constitution or other mechanisms to ensure representation of the people and the essential principles of responsible liberty.

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Discuss closed and even secreted planning of the global ruling elite, who refuse to include or respond to public mandate, principle, or disposition. If globalization is a legitimate effort, why is it *not* pursued through existing channels of representative government?

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Declare it here that the cream can rise to the top.

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25 Aug 2008, 12:27 am

Victor Aguilar

Discussion of the principles/fundamentals of economics as may or may not rectify the current causes of economic failure or the inconsistencies of an imposed, privatized currency such as we now suffer. RON PAUL rises head and shoulders above all other candidates in recognizing what institutions are at fault and opposition to true free enterprise; but how is anything he has said or offered bound to rectify the economy? What are the consequences of potential programs which might retain the present binding of unearned profit to our currency? What is sound money? Throw your constructive ideas into this forum, however arbitrary or well formed, that we can discuss them and unite on sound monetary reform. Let's get the principles straight so that we can achieve what representative government is intended to achieve.

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07 Feb 2008, 3:27 am

mike montagne

I believe that fundamentally, Ron Paul is perhaps the first electable candidate in 100 years who is conducive to mathematically perfected economy. Progress has been scant, but here I will chronicle any disclosable progress I may make in getting the Paul camp to evaluate mathematically perfected economy.

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05 Feb 2008, 7:50 pm

mike montagne

Loose or ambiguous definitions are not the substance of solution. Let us define sound money so that we can have sound money.

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Ron Paul deserves a catch-all category. If it doesn't fit elsewhere, post it here or email mike montagne with a request to add a forum or category.

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02 Feb 2008, 6:59 pm

mike montagne

Constitutionally, we observe "separation" of the church and state. But the conscience of every person comprises some dedication to principle and a responsibility to form the principles of the state. If religion, however personal, is to play a role in the proper construction of a state, indeed it must be or should be by advocation of higher principles. But in the present purported practice of the separation of church and state, the church is intimidated from advocating higher principles which are adverse to the looters of the state, and our purported representatives merely feign observation of principle, that the looters can prevail. How do we rectify this, but by exacting observation and activism? Discuss this critical issue here.

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