What should concern us is who stands in the way of solution, and why.
EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH ANDREW GRAZIANO REGARDING SOLUTION
I try to answer as many good questions or thoughts as I can. Members of my private list so much appreciated yesterday’s exchange between Andrew G. and myself that I was asked to publish it to the blog.
These are simple things to understand once you get your brain around the simple concepts of mathematically perfected economy?. We all are constantly refining our perceptions of realities; and the present material is as much as thinking out loud.
As we compose our perceptions (as opposed to opinions), what we are concerned with, if we are to succeed, is not to arrive at a mere opinion, but to refine our understanding into veritable engineering. Principles are the building blocks of engineering; and, as we say, real (true, incontrovertible) principles are only abandoned; they cannot be compromised, because that is to destroy the principle itself. This idea is key to wielding the issues before us in a way in which we will succeed.
Where then do we get confused in reacting to all the alternate opinions which are proposed?
The first thing to do is to question whether they observe the vital principles. After all, if an alternate proposition observes principles which ascertain a fact of singular solution, then there would be no alternate proposition ??the observation arrives yet again, by whatever route, at the singular possible solution.
So, we ourselves become confused when, to whatever least degree even, we leave the principle. I say this only because if I were not here, that’s how we would find our way.
EXAMPLE EXCHANGE REGARDING THE FINE POINTS OF SOLUTION
PFMPE? responses inserted as in original emails:
Andrew Graziano wrote:
What if the bailout were used as seed money to fund new small businesses, and none went to the big banks, what kind of effect do you think that would have had on the economy?
We will be helped by expansion; and I’m just responding in these few paragraphs to your one point. But let’s consider all the ramifications of how we expand, etc.:
Existent debt will continue to multiply debt in proportion to the circulation; so, unless we re-finance all debt under MPE, whatever further growth we engender by artificial help against this process (which expression itself tells you we need to solve the cause), the artificially helped growth will fail just as Clinton’s “greatest industrial expansion in modern history” failed.
So, we must re-finance all debt under MPE to sustain the benefit we are attempting to achieve.
We don’t need any such bailout under MPE, because MPE will just fund all the new small business as it needs funding.
But yes, then we can just let the “big banks” fail as the natural consequence of their process.
700 Billion, which some say is probably more like a trillion or more. But conservatively say 700 million.
I think you might have a comma or two out of place in the last number.
With *purposed* federal and “federal reserve” distortions not only of the distress which they are using only to bail out the thieves, but of all the related stress (price inflation, unfunded near term federal liabilities, false asset inflation via derivatives… etc.), if you buy into the need for a bailout, you can only come up with impossible numbers to swallow. In any case, we cannot get veritable numbers from the keepers of the data, but we can estimate:
Let’s just start with federal debt (”national” debt): They tell us it’s 10 trillion. But it’s not just 10 trillion.
If it were, with a GDP of $1 trillion and no other costs whatsoever, if we could devote all our industrial revenue to pay off principal on “the” national debt, it would take us 10 years to do so ??and, in my opinion, everyone neglecting this problem (perpetuating the present system) is obligated to do so, versus leaving this debt to future generations who will never be able to pay it.
But the real federal debt is far more than this.
Remember, Bill Clinton claimed to have balanced the federal budget.
No real industrial expansion ??even by the time the entire dot com boom had collapsed, few ventures had made a penny of profit. All the “boom” really accomplished (and was needed for) was to replenish the circulation. (In fact, I explained this to Clinton when he was elected; and it is to my explanations which he replies falsely in his state-of-the-union address, that he had accomplished something which was to then thought “mathematically impossible.”)
No increase in tax rates or tax revenue.
And no commensurable reduction in federal expenditures.
Hmmmm. How did he “balance” the budget then?
Well, of course he didn’t!
He robbed from other dedicated funds such as social security; and I am told that there was a huge unpublished payment from Kuwait, which forgave us for tremendous pre-existing debt for saving them in the first Gulf War.
Let’s just consider the first of these irregularities, as the second cannot reliably be confirmed.
Several years ago, independent researchers estimated the robbing of other dedicated funds, primarily social security, left us with from 48 to 96 trillion in “unfunded near term federal liabilities” ??an evasive term for debt. With interest, we can now estimate the upper end of that scale to be somewhere in the 110-120-trillion range. Let’s just build on that to accumulate an idea of how bad our situation *may* really be.
Add 10 trillion admitted federal debt to 120-trillion “unfunded federal liabilities,” and we have $130 trillion just to start with.
Thus if there were no interest paid to the privatization of the monetary system, with a GDP of $1 trillion that we “could” (we cannot) dedicate solely to principal, it would take us 130 years to pay off near term federal liabilities ??*if* and only if we could forestall servicing private debt for so long.
Some estimate the derivatives issue to conceal as much as 400 trillion in further liabilities.
Are “the markets” then not a pie in the sky?
Private debt is phenomenal as well.
So let’s just say that if we could just service the present principal of real debt we are presently oppressed by, it may take 500 years of GDP all of us now living to do so.
Of course, with interest further multiplying however much of this beyond our means, we can never do so.
But that’s why we must re-finance all debt under MPE ??because in doing so, we will credit all debtors for whatever they have paid against the original principal… and this will erase these artificial multiplications of debt.
Assuming out of a population of 300 million, 20 percent elect to receive money from the government, it could either be forgivable loans or loans repaid over 20 years with no interest. 700 Billion divided by 60 million This equals $11,666.66. Maybe my math is trying to tell me something?
In the last few weeks of 1978, I was researching a timeline which is supposed to be embodied in the Great Pyramid. It’s purported dates included the year of Exodus, the exact days of the birth, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ, an unexplained 1914 date, and one or two concluding dates ??the first of which may establish a beginning of the biblical “time of the end” in 1979.
By the amazing help of a librarian in California, I was able to acquire rare works of half-a-dozen of the most well known scientists to have measured the pyramid. These incredibly voluminous works pretty much correspond to their personal notes on how every measurement was taken. The usual accuracy ranged from at worst a thousandth of an inch, to as fine a granularity as a small part of a ten-thousandth.
This timeline is a theoretical system anchored at one end by two opposing inscribed lines in the descending passage. The purpose of these accurately aligned features was an obvious curiosity; and, given all the surrounding phenomena, it is natural to eventually suppose they may anchor a timeline, the dimensions/units of which would be given by the one symbol falling on the 1979 date.
The descending passage happens to align with the North Star Draconis at some specific moment in (if I recall correctly) 2121 BC. Hypothetically presuming the scribed lines thus anchor the datum point of the time line to this moment in time, engenders the prospect of the time line; and, to my surprise, all of the varied works concurred from this hypothesis indeed to give the dates given as the year of Exodus, and exact days of the birth, crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.
Quite phenomenal it was, to go over all the geometry and math and find these different works concurred.
At the resurrection of Christ however, a strange anomaly occurs in the data. All of the men whose works I was studying had come to the pyramid as confirmed agnostics. All of them left absolutely convinced that the Great Pyramid could be nothing less than the product of divine inspiration. And this may explain a very strange thing which, like your math, relates to the number 666.
The resurrection falls upon a dimension which quite oddly, is given uniformly as so many pyramid inches and “one third.”
I was attempting to determine the final event of the timeline; and, of course, encountering this hugely anomalous expression raised the prospect that there would be no credible further determination: what was the actual decimal expression? How many decimal places to account for or calculate by, thereafter? These were serious questions.
But the length of the Grand Gallery, which was to be added to this presumably “indeterminate” marker was *also* given as so many pyramid inches and a third!
So, all at once we had two dimensions which at first cast doubt that we could even calculate the final date(s).
The unexplained 1914 date however becomes a clue how to do the final calculations, if we take the number 666 to be a hermetic instruction to perform the calculations to three decimal places. (I had been carrying out my calculations on multiple parallel paths, with *a* path for the accuracy of every dimension given. [Thank goodness there were few critical dimensions.])
Of course, the idea I was exploring was that the timeline might indicate the moment of ultimate world monetary failure ??a time which is said to begin a new order, not as planned by globalization of course, but as an end of a time of dogma and oppression as we now exist in.
In any case, you probably anticipate the incredible thing which the “unexplained” 1914.666 date “may” therefore indicate. The so called Federal Reserve of course was theoretically created in the eve of December 23, 1913. But it could not of course have been *put into operation* until the following year.
Even still, 11k per person and the only condition is you need to start a business from scratch, I honestly believe that would have done more for the economy than any stimulus or bailout. The key to a sustainable economy is creation and self sufficiency.
And I totally agree. The thing is, conversion to MPE not only provides your proposition of an alternate, superior answer to the attempted bailout… it does that in perpetuation, without cost to anyone; and furthermore resolves further multiplication of our existent debt.
By refinancing all debt under MPE, we immediately make something like 80% of our current income available to further prosperity. This itself would contribute substantially to creating and perpetually sustaining further employment and industry. But the further financing not only of that industry, but of its potential consumption ??both without cost or multiplication of debt by interest ??indicates the degree of prosperity which is immediately possible, with no cost or bailout whatever, under mathematically perfected economy.
So those are good points, Andrew.
Patrick Hedemark Comment
Great Exchange Mike,
WHAT COULD or SHOULD be done to fix all of this mess comes up AGAINST THE single word, WHY!
Both WHY it should BE DONE ??and MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHY what should be done is not viewed as WHAT MUST BE DONE ??is at the very, very, very heart of the problem ??THE REAL SINGULAR PROBLEM.
The “ULTIMATE CAUSE” of the monetary issue ??the singular problem ??is usury or interest.
The word “interest” is both the functional source of dilemma and the immoral force behind its being forced upon our money as representative agent of the “INTERESTS” of the very men who refuse to accept both the WHAT and the WHY!!!
IT IS GOING TO TAKE FORCE.
PURITY OF PURPOSE + FORCE.
THIS IS THE ONLY METHOD.
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“To find the players in all the corruption of the world, ‘Follow the money.’ To find the captains of world corruption, follow the money all the way.”
mike montagne ??founder, PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy?, author/engineer of mathematically perfected economy? (1979)
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